Workshop - Training - Tape 1 -Malibu - June 1969
Dr. Robert Rhondell Gibson
(Audience questions are in parentheses.)
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Links are added to give meaning to unusual words or provide diagrams.
NOTE: In Malibu, California in 1969, Dr. Bob Gibson gave a series of classes for those who wanted to teach the material he called “The Teachings”, “The Work” or “The Science of Man.” This training was recorded on an analog magnetic tape-recording format where tape was spooled between two open reels—a supply reel
and a take-up reel, simply called ‘reel-to-reel.’ At some point those reels were re-recorded onto cassette tapes.
Unfortunately, the cassettes have degraded over time and are unavailable at this point.
This transcript is as close to the original reel-to-reel recordings as possible.
There will be more from this “Training” workshop added as time permits.
The Vicious Cycle
Diagram link: https://www.marshasummers.com/innerman/vicious.htm
[Tape begins with an unclear question from the audience.]
Most of it. Is that what you mean here? For what takes place here? This goes all over the body. The whole body is in a state of readiness to fight or run. Then no fighting or running takes place and so the whole body being in a state of neuromuscular tension, some adaptation has to take place. Now, instead of the whole body adapting at one time so that you go into spasm all over – some activity begins to take place that will use up this mobilized energy from all over the body and do it in a localized area. So, a group of cells chosen by X – is a localized area of intense activity, which uses up this energy from all over. In other words, do you use energy from all over your body if you were to hit a punching bag real hard? Or do you just only use energy in the hands?
You burn up energy from all over the body. And this is the way X would go about it. So, then the whole body works as a unit to expend energy through this one place. Like if you would strike a punching bag, or if you had a massive charley horse in your leg or your back, it would be using this energy from all over.
Is this what you’re referring to? The chemical imbalance and neuromuscular tension are everywhere in the body. You’re in readiness to fight or run. But when the adaptation takes place it is in a localized area, which X picks out in its wisdom — whether it will be in your respiratory system, muscular system, digestive system, or wherever.
Yesterday, little Tracy had all his in one spot – right in the middle of his little tummy. And he upchucked. This uses energy from the whole body. If you ever recall doing likewise, why, you know that the whole body goes into this activity. The body works as a unit, not as a bunch of parts. Does this help answer the question?
(How does this… how does this work when you have the dysfunctional result, rather than the functional? I’ve explained this by saying that the toxins, in this case—)
They weren’t toxins until they were not used.
(—that they go to the point of least resistance in the body.)
I would not think that they [toxins] localized, that the adaptation or the energy was localized at one given spot.
(Well, what is the energy? Is it just the chemicals?)
Well, there’s not chemicals in the union of Intelligence and matter, chemicals get in a certain position and then discharge an energy, do they not? How does a muscle move?
(I don’t know… It’s what I’m asking. I don’t understand what an energy is. If it’s chemical, or if it’s a muscle reaction…?)
It’s a muscle’s electrical energy, I would say is the closest possible description. Very much like your automobile. What’s the energy in your car that drives it?
(In a car it’s an expansion—)
—of a chemical, is that right? Is that right? And it burns. It explodes. It is oxidized. You mix the chemical called gasoline with oxygen and then ignite it. Is that right? And the body does very similar-wise as to the way it uses energy. The fuel is glycogen, basically. And then the various chemicals that go in with that are oxidized as the muscle burns it at a slower speed. It works on much the same principal. But instead of an explosion, it’s a very small implosion. And so then the motors burn.
Now, let’s say that you become very excited – something has startled you very much. One of the things that happens is that your heart begins to beat much faster, right? Burns up more energy then, doesn’t it? Obviously more fuel, more energy, and the point of the hormones in the body are that they stimulate the activity in order to burn up the fuel faster. It works much like you step down on the accelerator on your automobile. It burns more fuel in a shorter length of time. Your usual metabolism while sitting at rest is one given amount of burning. If we charge it up higher, shove in more adrenaline [from adrenal glands] and more thyroxine [from the thyroid gland], then all the activity is accelerated, and it begins to go faster. Your temperature would go up, your heart beats faster, you will breathe faster, etc. Does that help answer your question. These are accelerators.
(What if you don’t catch yourself quick enough and have a false feeling of emergency? And then you catch yourself at the bottom of the first thing, and you realize what’s happening. Can you choose your own adaptation? Say go out and beat on a punching bag?)
It sure does help! if you’ll name the punching bag. (laughter)
(Not necessarily an actual punching bag. I mean physically exert yourself.)
That’s what I’m talking about – name the punching bag.
(Oh yeah, okay, I’m with ya, I’m with ya.)
Okay, so if I make you angry, you go out and punch the punching bag. You have to do it while the cycle is on – before X decides to take over and burn it up. Also, you could go over and say to Dr. Romero [Chiropractor] or anybody else that’s skilled in such an art and say, “Look, I’m all tensed up; I got all wound up.” And he will find where your body is distorted from that. And if he makes a corrective drive on it [also called an “adjustment” or “correction”], the body will recoil against that drive (much like this little monster right here does) and you will use up a tremendous amount of that energy right then and there. Now, here’s [referring to drawing on the board] the bridge is over here, and he does the drive over there. And you see that one goes just fine. That’s a “recoil.” The body will recoil against the invasion.
By the same token, down at Casa Simpatica [in Radium Springs, NM], we have water that comes out of the ground at 186 degrees. And we’ll set you out there on the patio and you get very wound up and aggravated and annoyed and you are just about to come unglued at the seams. We’ll stick you in there in that hot water and you will recoil against that. And furthermore, if we throwed a very cold stream of water on you off a hose, you will recoil against that. And any of these recoils will use up that energy so it is not necessary that you go through the adaptation cycle.
So, once you get something to invade, the body has an internal building of forces; then it has to be eliminated through the external. And if you don’t do it intentionally or if some recoil doesn’t come in, then you would do it by adaptation – in one form or another. You see, the center of this just sits pretty still here. [referring to something on the board] And the end of it goes on. And if you pull this one, it all quits – that’s a recoil out there. And the body does likewise. So, you have mobilized a lot of energy but you’re not doing anything. If you can get something in you to recoil against that rapidly enough, then you have discharged a tremendous amount of energy, and you can get along quite well without all the difficulty.
But we start the recoil, X even starts to burn it up and we know about it, so we try to stop it. We interfere with it with every conceivable means that we have at our command like drugs, sedatives, etc. – we try to stop it. And that doesn’t work so well because then we are frightened [about the symptoms] and start the cycle over again up here [pointing to the beginning of the Vicious Cycle] with the misconception about the nature of this. If we truly understand this, when the adaptation starts here, it is very quickly over if we understand it and we say, “I’m thankful for it. I’m glad it’s going on.” Then it quickly discharges all this energy you had mobilized up.
But what do we do? The minute we have a symptom, then we have a misconception, “Oh, I’m getting sick. I’m coming down with something. And no doubt it’ll be carcinoma [cancer] and I’ll have to have an operation and then I’ll have to have cobalt, and I will look like that man I saw in the street with half of his face off!” And by this time, we’re really in a dither; we have us a “False Feeling of Emergency” going real full blast. And then we build this [pointing to Vicious Cycle on board]. And faster than poor X can burn it up with adaptation, we generate [more of] it. That’s why we call it “The Vicious Cycle.”
The Living Cycle
Diagram link: https://www.marshasummers.com/innerman/cycle.htm
If we understand it, it goes out like this and we start the Living Cycle off of that because we perceived what was going on. You see, if you understand it, this is the end of The Vicious Cycle and you start a Living Cycle because that is perceiving what’s going on. That perception would be sitting right here then. That would be perceiving through feeling, chemical balance, and creative action – it would take off right there.
(I can see where the remedy is equally (____). You discharge the energy when you’re angry – it’s just like you go out and beat on something.)
Yeah, get it out of your system.
(But what about when you have a fear of something like that, of getting a cancer and all that? it doesn’t seem that easy.)
It’s not quite that easy; so, then you can’t very well run from that one, can you? However, if you did burn up a lot of physical energy…. [he pauses, changing his focus]
The only true correction anywhere is to get rid of the misconception.
That begets understanding of the first decision – that’s the only true correction. All others are a form of treatment. And they’re certainly extremely valuable and very, very useful. But if we want to look at this, we would like to know how to change The Vicious Cycle and get back on The Living Cycle. One would be to understand this – what’s going on – and thenwe have started with true perception, true feeling, chemical balance, and creative action. You can change it right here. If we understand it, we start on the other cycle, you see?
(Now when we have an adaptation take place – in other words we might have cramps, muscle spasm, or whatever – what causes the particular thing to happen? Why not something else?)
You go ask X that question, okay? You have to ask X. The only answer I can give you, which is logical – it’s logical (laughter) – is that it is the adaptation that will use up the exact amount of mobilized and unreleased energy. That’s what it takes to do it. In other words, you gotta build up a tremendous amount of mobilized and unreleased energy before X has to use carcinoma. [cancer]
But I couldn’t say what it is. That you’ll have to ask X why it chooses to give you the sneezes and another person the upchucks. Why did it choose to use little Tracy as an upchuck yesterday? And another time, maybe his little sister would have had about the same stresses that we could see as far as the external is concerned, and hers would have been all relieved by a fit of crying. I don’t know.
It is understandable on The Tone Scale that a general set of attitudes, which generates a general set of false feelings of emergency, has a pretty consistent type of adaptation. So apparently, it chose about the amount of tension that it builds up and what kind of an adaptation will have to take place.
In other words, an apathetic person who goes around constantly all, “Woe, woe, is me – what’s the use?” and they do it all day long, is pouring in a continual set of this stuff – and it’s one kind of an adaptation. A person who is fearful and goes into all kinds of good startles and [he mimics heavy panting], gets another kind. And the person who is resentful and goes around, “Grrrrr, I’m gonna kill that so-and-so!” gets another one because consistently they have the same kind of symptoms within a general family of symptoms.
And so, I would say that gives the best answer I know of – that X sees this as the amount of adaptation that will best burn up that degree of chemical imbalance and neuromuscular tone in the body. An acute disorder. Somebody’s feeling fine and they go along and they have a startle. And tomorrow, most usually they have an upper respiratory adaptation. Is that right, Brother Lynn?
(I don’t want to find out! I’m sniffing right now, for sure.) (laughter)
Well, would you like me to suggest something that you might take into consideration just a moment? We all went around here and had a little beginning session to practice a little while ago. And the person that was assigned to you was somebody that you felt had been working quite a bit and might know. And did you have just a little bit of a funny feeling in the pit of your tummy for a minute or two about going to work on ‘em?
(I did.)
Right. Okay, I thought so. And so then, the body doesn’t stand any imbalance without getting ready to get rid of some of it, huh? And so, then there was a bit of a momentary anxiety and now you have a minute, little upper respiratory reaction. This I have noticed; have you, Dr. Jim? That over and over – that sudden, little acute anxieties will give an upper respiratory disorder in some way. This is the most common one that I have observed – does that verify out to what you see, that it will come up with something there?
Hanneman and Homeopathic Medicine
Homeopathic medicine – Hahnemann – started out a long time ago and gave something that’s very worthwhile to listen to. And if all of you would like to listen to it, even though Hahnemann was considered a quack – later, not then [he chuckles] – I will try to give it, if I may.
Hahnemann said that the first disorder was * “Psora” and it’s spelled P-s-o-r-a. If all you mothers will think for a minute, I think you will understand. Psora is an ancient term or an old term for “itch” – a skin irritation of some sort or other. Now Psoriasis is one of the words that is still around about it, that people have Psoriasis.
- [Psora: In homeopathy, psora is one of the chronic miasms. It is often referred to as the “itch” or “scabies” miasm. It represents a state of internal imbalance that manifests as a variety of physical, emotional, and mental symptoms. Psora is latent in many individuals and can surface as chronic diseases when triggered by external or internal factors.]
[Miasm: refers to an invisible, polluting substance that affects a person's vital force, leading to disease. It is considered a fundamental cause of chronic illnesses and can be inherited, persisting through generations if not treated properly.]
He said that the condition, the first adaptation that X used … (and he didn’t call it X, he called it the Vital Principle, or if he did use the word, it was “Entelechy” which was in common vogue in his day as the Vital Principle). Entelechy: e-n-t-e-l-e-c-h-y I believe is the way it was spelled. It’s a word that you may find in a medical dictionary now and it says, “an old word for supposed vital principle.” That’s the word that you would probably find in Dorland’s or Gould’s Medical Dictionary.
So, he said that the first adaptation that started was Psora. And you didn’t get well from it unless you really were chemically balanced — the whole body came back into “knowledge.”
So, you got worse as the years went along. And of course, Mama said that you got all right – you got over the chicken pox, you got over the measles or whatever it was. Mama said you got all right.
So, you normally had three or four bouts with Psora along here. And he said you just built up an adaptation, an adaptation that was below par was made here. And then sometime later [when you got over the adaptation] you went along this level and called it being well, but you were this much below par. Then you got new bouts with Psora, that acute febrile disorder, which includes colds, fevers, chicken pox, measles, and all these little things. And then you got another one. And you went along with it and you had yourself a disorder along somewhere and you dropped down this far.
You gradually built up more and more tension as the years went along and finally the body had to adapt rather violently on the Vicious Cycle right about here till you went down to here. And you were quite ill for a while, but then you adapted to a new level. And you went along here for a while. Now you were “well,” you call it here. But you’re far from here [referencing being at par].
And then someday your stresses build up and your everyday tensions; you get more adaptations, more decisions made, and you become more agitated with the environment and pffft! – you go down again. Now you have a series of illnesses. Each one of these down steps is a period of being consciously sick, a period of adaptation visibly going on. These are disease. In between, you think you’re feeling good, you’re doing well. But each time, you’re getting further below par. And this goes on down here until one fine day, it goes below the possibility of adaptation taking care of it and they bury you.
Retracing — Going Back Up the Way You Came Down
He also said that if somewhere here you did something and started going back toward par… In other words, if any of us today get rid of all our misconceptions, we’ll start back up. Let’s don’t kid ourselves that tomorrow we’re going to be back up here on this level. I got news for you – you’re going up the way you came down. You are going back up the way you came down. You’ll go through there [all the adaptations] a tremendous amount quicker, but you’re going to retrace right back on up the way you came down.
So, if you’ve had a time back down the road where you had violent headaches and you haven’t had headaches for several years now – you got rid of headaches here. You went over and took some allergen dope or whatever it was, and you haven’t had headaches since 1949. And since then, you’ve had this history [of other things.] When you repair back to that level, you’ll have you a violent headache for a few hours to say the very least – maybe several different bouts of it for a day or two. And then you’ll be back up here.
And then you’ll feel good a few days and then you’ll go through these little adaptations up here, too. And you’ll have all your little sniffles, and you will have all your little skin irritations – very quickly. You won’t break out all over – you won’t have the chicken pox all over again but you’ll sorta feel like you did for a day, or half a day, or two hours or something or other.
Now there are classic states of retracing that go back that you can trace them all. And there’s some that go back so fast you can’t catch them all. But nevertheless, this phenomenon that Hahnemann described back in 1830 is very observable today. Just watch it around and you’ll see.
A lot of times a person thinks, “Well I’ve studied, I got rid of my misconceptions, then how come I still have these little bubbles [adaptations] along here?” Man, you’re just going right on back up.
And if you’ve got a good “history” [the homeopath’s Patient Intake],…which was one of Hahnemann’s very profound statements to all of his practitioners was that you take a very complete history of all this person had been through…you really went into nitpicking to get a good history of what had happened to the person cause if he didn’t, the Dr. would see an adaptation happening and think, “Well, he’s gotten sick again.” And he would try to medicate him again, which would be disastrous.
But if the Doctor had a good history, he would know where his patient was going right on back this line. You’re back to the itch – Psora. And if you can kind of recall that and observe it, you will understand many phenomena. Is that correct, brother Jim? That’s right on the line.
You will understand much that goes on in yourself and those you know around you. So often we feel quite so upset, we start the Vicious Cycle all over again because we don’t know about this retracing or going back over this whole stuff again, you see.
(inaudible)
It could be it just comes up without you even knowing any rhyme or reason for it. You get up some morning, and you got back to this far and you have it for a few hours and it’s gone. The whole thing goes very, very rapidly. Perhaps you had been chronically ill for six or eight months when you were 20 years old, and now you’re 39; you will go back there and at that stage there will be a considerable little upheaval. If you were very ill when you were about nine months old, when it gets back to that stage, you will have yourself a nice little jolt of it. And it’ll be very uncomfortable, and it seemingly comes out of the blue with no rhyme or reason for it.
(When you go back, in other words, you’ll just get the exact reverse order… you won’t just jump back to certain things, and go back and forth?)
In the classic manner you would see every one of ‘em. If you have a perfect history then the person has what Hahnemann called a Classic Retracing that goes back each step. However, in some cases you don’t see ‘em all. They’re too transient, you know. Maybe you have ‘em in your sleep tonight. But it’s like you come down this stairway and you get here. In order to get back, you gotta go up that stairway again.
(Now, I gone through the things that I used to use positivity or willpower to overcome. I’ve gone the suffering of some of those things. This was about a year ago.)
Then you started back up the road. Right. And then as you get further on back… you don’t remember anything about when you were a little child or anything?
(Not very much.)
The rest of it was there, you just didn’t notice. So sometimes you’ll see these. But it’s usually possible to get a very detailed, extremely detailed history, an understanding. Upon this, Hahnemann’s people made what they called a diagnosis or an analysis. And then they prescribed.
Hanneman’s Method of Prescribing
Now if you’ve heard about the prescribing, you’d really laugh, but we won’t go into that one. [he chuckles] Nevertheless, it works, huh? Well, would you like to know what they prescribed? And incidentally, it had profound effects. Hahnemann said that it was the “spirit” of the drug rather than the antithesis of it.
He lost four or five children at one time from medication. They were ill and some of his colleagues medicated his lovely children and they all died. And this was the start of his research into finding out. And he came up with the idea that: “Like produces like.”
So, he began to use what he called “provings.” He would take a drug in its pure state and take it for a little bit in the usual recommended dosages. He would see what it would produce by the drug in a seemingly well person — what symptoms would be produced by the drug. And then he made hundreds and hundreds of these provings so that he could say, “All right, for example, the drug Calomel when used, you have all these kinds of symptoms after a while.”
So, then he recorded all of these and when he found a person that had these symptoms he said he was a “Calomel” case. He took the Calomel — and I’m using this only as an example — and you did what you would call diluting, and he called “potentizing” it. So, he’d take one drop of the tincture of the drug, put in 100 drops of alcohol and “succuss” it by pounding the bottle into the palm of his hand for ten or twelve times. [He demonstrates pounding his fist into his open palm.] And then he would take one drop of that, pour out the rest, put that in a new bottle with another hundred drops of alcohol and do this again [he repeats the pounding motion]. Then you get that out. [one drop removed, put in another bottle that was again filled with alcohol] And you go through this procedure fifty times and that makes a 50M [“M” for millions] potency.
Now it would be impossible by chemical analysis to find any of the [original] drug. To top the whole thing off, you can pour all of this out of the bottle and let the bottle dry out – air dry it – and put milk sugar granules in it and shake it up and that is the medication. And if you don’t think it has an effect, don’t you let somebody give you one. [chuckles] It’ll knock your head off. It’ll kill you if you get it wrong, too; you’ll get very, very ill.
And then, suppose you want to practice homeopathy, and you don’t want to go through all this fist pounding and measuring, you just come over and borrow two of my granules, put ‘em in your bottle, shake it up, then add the rest of the granules in with it. And that’s called a “grafting” and it works just as well. And then if Mary Jo wants some, she can get some granules from you, put them in her bottle, shake it up and now she’s got the medicine, or remedy. And they’re still following graftings from the day of Hahnemann and all you have to do is watch it work.
(Bob, how did Hahnemann originate the retracing process?)
From observation.
(No, I don’t think I made myself clear. How did he initiate it?)
By giving the medication. Once he gave them the homeopathic treatment, then he observed. You only give the drug once. You don’t dose ‘em every day. You give the one. The doctor himself put the sugar granule on the tongue of the patient, much like you would see communion given in the church. And then that was all that was done except observation.
And then finally if he found out he needed to make a re-diagnosis because he had missed certain things, then he might do that later. And usually if he did, he canceled the former treatment by having the patient smell camphor. A very high potency of camphor was used to cancel the drug. And then it would start over again. But it wasn’t a matter of getting enough pills to take for 20 days; the old boy used his head to get started and he put it on the tongue and that was it. One dose. And it does have a very decided effect. Did you ask me to explain it?
(Well, first of all, explain this last thing. Did I understand you right – you do that to start a person on this retracing thing?)
Right. It was the medication that started it back; it’s part of the treatment.
(And the person started getting younger?)
Not younger, but over their illness. Their body would start restoring towards the balanced state. In many cases, yes they looked better. That would be optimum from as far as that stress was concerned. Not other things, now…
(That’s not younger.)
Not younger but just returning to the level of operation that that body’s capable of. And it would go through these stages to get back there. Yeah. You want me to explain it?
(Yeah.)
Hahnemann said it was the “spirit” of the drug. And he said the physician — who today we commonly know today as an “allopath” — would give a drug that would produce the opposite symptom. And he said the dynamic principle [Spirit] in the person was ill. The dynamic principle is Spirit and you use the spirit of the drug to work with it. Don’t ask me if that’s correct – I don’t know. But I do know that a homeopathic remedy does have tremendous effect on a sick person. And Jim will verify that also.
(How ‘bout losing weight?) [she giggles]
Well, if you could find what you could take that’ll make you fat in a drug, then we’ll give you that drug that will produce the symptom that you’re trying to correct.
In other words, let’s take a simple thing: if you were constipated, then you would go through all the provings and say this certain drug will constipate you when you take it. And you get a potency of it and it works. Now, it doesn’t do like the allopathic medicine which is give us the drug that produces diarrhea in anybody. It changes and there is a change but that’s usually a symptom. It might get the diarrhea lessened, but that’s only a symptom in the first place. And Hahnemann wrote profusely that you didn’t fiddle with symptoms; you went to the problem, the dis-ease.
He went into great length that all the emotional content of the person was to be taken into consideration as well. Also, he found that certain drugs would produce certain emotional chaos in a person, like intoxication. So, people can be intoxicated. Obviously, it isn’t a perfect system, but if I had to take drugs, I believe I would take Hahnemann’s system.
(Is it possible that what he was doing was more psychosomatic than anything?)
What does psychosomatic mean to you?
(A placebo.)
No, because you can give it to somebody in his orange juice or something else and he doesn’t even know he’s getting it, and it’ll have the same effect on him. Possibly not quite as effective. But your term psychosomatic… all disorders have a psychosomatic content, do they not?
(No. Yes, but they…)
Are you saying it’s purely suggestive therapy and the medication was purely a larvation to the suggestion? It was a placebo? The answer emphatically in my humble opinion is absolutely no — it was not. Brother Jim, what would be your opinion on that?
(It would be the same thing, Bob.)
It is from experimentation, we would have to say absolutely it was not just a placebo. No.
(When you said that the way he – whatever the word was for it –)
Potentized it.
(- it eliminated any of the original material.)
As far as you could detect chemically. However, the Spirit seemed to be very much there. And also the peculiar thing – and then we’ll leave this subject of Homeopathic medicine – one that went through twenty-five of these [dilutions] will not have as potent an effect on a person as one that’s been run through there fifty times. It’s a higher potency when it’s been gone through [diluted and potentized] fifty times than when it’s ten times… and they have ten times, it really does. That’s a high potency.
(Are you putting me on? Do you really just pound it into a patient’s hands?)
No, into your own hand. While you’re preparing your medication, you really pound it.
(I was just thinking – all those glasses we got at home had alcohol in them.) (laughter)
(In the…?)
In the vial. In the vial, while you build up the potency of it.
(When you say observation, you mean your own observation.)
Right. Observation and seeing it work over and over and over. Now, in all probability… I said I’d quit immediately but I’ll give one more… I think the radium in Radium Springs, New Mexico, is a homeopathic concentration. I think that’s why it has the effects it does. Jim [speaking to Dr. Jim Romero who owned Casa Simpatico in Radium Springs], did you ever consider that possibility? It’s a homeopathic concentration? And it’s potentized by nature. And I think this is why it has the decided effect that it does.
(If this is so sure fire, I don’t see why the doctors haven’t latched onto it and told people what they’re doing.)
Sorry about that, but it takes too much brain power to do it. [he’s chuckling] Well, the work part’s not so much, but it takes too much concentration and work to build up the medication to decide what to give. It’s not popular.
(Wouldn’t that ruin the economy of medicine?) (The AMA would have a problem.)
Anxiety and Upper Respiratory Response
We said we would leave the subject of homeopathic medicine. This could go on and on. We’re talking about counseling and working with people. Yes?
(I’d like to ask a question. About this respiratory infection… you did say that you might consider the possibility of anxiety.)
Yeah, a little anxiety there for a minute.
(But it’s somewhat…you were saying… an upper respiratory, an problem that you have, any normal…that you have an anxiety.)
Some sort of an anxiety – like a sudden little annoyance. You’re driving down the street to go to work and some guy that cuts in front of you – any of these – it’s a little, funny startle. It’ll usually start off an upper respiratory condition.
(The reason I was asking — when I was aboard ship, and we were off Japan, and really…)
Rockin’ and rollin’.
(We were on a sort of suicide mission. During that period there, I'd have stretches where I'd just sneeze maybe for an hour or more at a time. Thought about going to sick bay, but I didn’t. Then I’d go an hour or two without it and then start sneezing again.) [partially unclear]
And you recognize that there was a considerable anxiety along the road, wasn’t there.
(I wasn’t aware of it. This is what I’m just finding!)
Was there a feeling, though, that you knew you were on a suicide road?
(You bet.)
And better not to think about it too much. Isn’t that right?
(Well, a lot of them went to sickbay and tried to get off that ship.)
But this is where you first begin doing the sneezing. So, I would say that any anxiety would kind of key the body in as an association that you’re still sitting on the suicide road sometimes.
(We were on a death boat.)
That’s right – that old death goes with you out on the sea and stays with you.
(That’s when I started having the sneezing, as to what was going on.))
Yeah. But that was somewhat of an anxiety. Yeah, that’s right. And so, whenever you get a little anxiety, even the little old insignificant things every day, it’s like we were talking earlier: it’s about to remind you of another anxiety situation where sneezing was very much a part of it, do you see? So, you could possibly sit and talk to yourself a few minutes and say, “Now is not then. This is not that,” and let’s see what happens, okay?
Now is not then and this is not that.
In other words, switch between the two anxieties – some little insignificant anxiety today and the one sitting out there waiting to get blasted into the celestial kingdom and just don’t wait for that one, you see. Now is not then. And this situation, this anxiety is not that anxiety and now is not then. And let’s see what it does to us. It’s a good, scientific experiment, okay? Yes, Doctor?
(Could I share something with Cheryl on this?)
Yes, please. Please.
(Whenever I made the decision that I was going to live, the day that I decided that, the poison which I had accumulated in this area broke loose, and the body started to absorb it back into the system – all over the whole circulation. And I was so miserable and so sick and so nervous that I couldn’t even stand it.
And I ran 10 miles — I lived at Blue Water, in the Grants — and at the end of the 10 miles, I had burned that, but I couldn’t sit still. I had to do something. And to show you the adaptation that took place quickly at that time. And Brother Roundleigh followed me in the station wagon, kept begging me to get into the station wagon cause it was just pouring cats and dogs. And I couldn’t. I just couldn’t stop. At the end of the ten miles, I was exhausted and my body _______. But this was a real example of where knowing what was taking place – what we’re talking about – where you saw the adaptation go from where it was localized, into the whole system. I feel if I hadn’t done this, I probably would have–)
The body couldn’t have handled it unless you burned it up in a hurry, you couldn’t have thrown it out the other way.
(I was running as fast as I could run, and I was exhausted and he begged me to get into the station wagon and I couldn’t. I wanted to but I couldn’t. I just couldn’t stand it.)
(What about the ruptured appendix — it could still be poisonous. Would it be better if we got out and ran ten miles and—)
No, that’s not quite the same situation because if you run, there is a little membrane that forms before it ruptures. X builds a nice little membrane around it and catches the toxin and it’s better to let it absorb.
(What absorbs?)
The toxin where the boil broke. It’s like a boil and when it breaks… but X already builds a membrane around that. Already enclosed in and separated.
(What does it do to all the other organs and glands in the body though?)
It doesn’t do anything unless there is physical interference that breaks that little sack it built around there. It walled it off. Of course, it makes you pretty ill. But unless there is a break-in into that sack – surgical interference and breaks into that sack after it’s already ruptured, then it’s apt to go all over the body. Cause then it gives a general systemic poisoning and can cause peritonitis and a whole bunch of other things.
But it will wall itself off. X beats it to the draw of rupturing and builds a wall around it and catches it – if you don’t interfere. Now if you’re gonna operate, you better do it before that sac breaks or forget it. Cause if you go in after it’s broken, you usually create more havoc than if you let it alone.
(That's why they say when there's a ruptured appendix, you have a bad after-effect because it’s ruptured already.)
It's because of the surgical intervention. Once it's ruptured, you'd better let it alone.
(Is that why they drain it after it’s ruptured?)
Yup – because it’s running all over the place. But it’s better not to interfere with it if it’s already ruptured, when the intervention takes place. Now if you get to it before, that’s everybody’s opinion. But once it’s ruptured, it’s better to just leave it alone. It’ll absorb it and get rid of it pretty quickly. It’s already built a little wall around it.
Just like when we finished in Phoenix, Brother Lim lifted a tooth out of my jaw that was abscessed. And he went all the way around it and he said it was walled off perfectly, is that right? X built a wall around it, the absess, so it wasn’t all over my body. And before an appendix gets ruptured, it always builds this wall. And that wall is pretty iron-clad, is it not, Brother Lim?
(Yes. I told him that this was quite remarkable because generally when there's that amount of infection that it spreads. Generally there would be little fingers, like pockets, going back into the general bone area. This was just like it had been completely sealed off. That was X working there.)
Boxed it off. X is a wonderful physician. Very wonderful physician. Don’t underrate it. If it can use this Spirit remedy, why Hahnemann’s take is all right. Okay, Darroll, let’s proceed from that point.
Body Tone and Tissue Cell Vibration
(When we talk about the body tone, could you go back into the cell structure and show us what happens when we have body tone?)
All right. Body tone is when every usual tissue cell in the body is vibrating. Like everything else is – it’s the way of the universe, huh? Anything that’s not vibrating is dead. How’s that? We’ll go from there. Now we’ve all seen people in apathy. They raise their arm up and the skin’s hanging down here like this and if the poor thing stands up, the meat pours over the shoe tops. Ever seen that? It hangs down.
(Are you exaggerating?)
No, I’m not exaggerating!
(I haven’t seen it. I thought you were just pulling my leg!) (laughter)
No, I’m not pulling your leg. Doctor, am I pulling their legs? It just pours down. It’s almost dead; it just hangs. And it hangs under here. And it hangs down here. And this is down, this is down, this is down, everything is down. There’s no vibration rate going on. Gravity just has about taken over. Completely. They’re just a victim of gravity now, they’re vibrating so low.
(What about being in a coma?)
That could be very different. It has nothing to do with that, unless it’s a coma that follows Apathy. Yeah, if a person’s in a coma from an injury or something, it may not do this at all. However, the tissues do go limp to varying extent. Even with sodium pentothal it’s not that extreme when it flops down. But in Apathy, when a person goes, it just hangs down, down, down, down, down. And all the internal organs are collapsed also – they just hang. So, the tissue cell rate of vibration is so slow, there is practically no tone to it.
Now if I would go back here and get his guitar, I believe we could do as good an explanation as any. If you let the strings go slack, what happens? But when he tightens it up, it goes “ping,” right?
(What is vibrating?)
The tissue cell – the protoplasm. The protoplasm. [*the transparent liquid inside all living cells]
(Would you draw the cell down there and tell me what you’re talking about physiologically?)
Well, the cell, as close as anything, looks like a hard-boiled egg. Okay? And it vibrates. It is dancing, if you please. What do you say – “dancing to other drums?” It’s dancing to other drums. We don’t hear the drum but it’s dancing to a drum – to your inner feeling drum. If your inner feeling is one of very great joy, it’s dancing fine. If your inner feeling is one of, “Oh, what’s the use?” it dances to that. And if it dances to that for about six months, your meat will be hanging over your shoe tops; the meat will be hanging off your bones. (laughter)
(_____________)
They dance. They’re dancing.
The reason I said “the meat off of your bones” was cause of a little boy whose father was a very dear friend of Dr. Jim’s and mine. He took his little boy up in an airplane and this man was an aerobatic pilot, a very expert one. And so, he did a few gentle aerobatics with his little boy, and the little boy said, “Daddy, don’t do that no more. My meat’s still down there and my bones is up here.” (laughter) Don’t do that no more! The meat couldn’t keep up with the bones. (more laughter)
So, the meat just hangs, you see, because this is vibrating so slow. And when it quits vibrating, you know what you call it? Dead. And then it begins to decay.
(I know. And when we go up the Tone Scale, when we’re living by less and less misconceptions–)
Link: https://www.marshasummers.com/innerman/tonescale.htm
And more and more insight or more and more sense of feeling fine, joyful, etc. – okay. Then you vibrate at an ever-increasing rate of speed of tissue cells. Yes.
(And earlier today you said that brain cells are vibrating at a higher rate.)
Right. All the central nervous system is vibrating and if your feelings should be well enough that the other should catch up with it, it might be a very interesting phenomenon. Try it. [he laughs] And I think you would glow just like the central nervous system glows. And it is the brightest shine you’ve ever seen. You throw a light on it. And you might find something very interesting if you become so joyful that [there’s a break in the tape here]
(Even under a black light.)
Even under black light.
(You mean if you could put the two cells side by side under a microscope, you could tell a difference?)
In the living state, in situ in the body, yes – there’s a very decided difference in the rate of vibration. That’s why the brain cell is the last one to go. It’s still alive.
(Like a chicken when you cut off the head?)
The nervous system goes for quite a while. Even though the brain is hooked off it, the nervous cells are still kicking around a little bit. They’ll kick and bounce around the yard for a while. But the whole thing is that there is the rate of vibration of the cells that vibrate in a rate which is seemingly hooked onto an echo over here — it’s to your inner feeling.
Depression, Inner Feeling, the Appearance of Aging
So you can look at a person – any of us that we know every day. If I were to see you and you were to receive very bad news, I’d say, “What are you all down about?” You’re down, mmm? Your skin hangs, your mouth falls, your chin drops; your tone of your body slows down. We can see this in anybody we know. You could meet a person on the street and say, “Boy, he looks down.” Huh? “He’s down about something. I wonder what’s bugging him.” And you never saw this person before in your life – he’s just all beaten down, depressed.
And then you see them when they’ve had good news. An old uncle died over in England and has left him a couple billion, you know, and all he’s gotta do is go over there and get it. And Uncle Joe that lived here said he’d loan him the money for the trip to go get his inheritance and woo-boy! He’s whizzing up; that old tissue cell rate of vibration goes up right now!
Now, we mentioned about the old lady that was gonna kill the Methodist minister and take over the pulpit. And I said the next day I didn’t know her because of the tremendous change in the rate of tissue cell vibration. It had this in several different people. They come in today, they get some kind of an insight, understanding, or knowledge — get a load off their back, in other words — and they come tomorrow and I don’t know ‘em. And I have a fairly good memory of looking at people. Okay, we got two lovely ladies that are both staring at me over here. You can have –
(I don’t know about the understanding I have. Between tone and vibration, and light. Is there a similarity?)
(For the understanding I have, I can’t see a similarity between this tone, the vibration, and light, like a laser beam. Is there a similarity?)
All light is vibration. So this is a vibratory or a wave universe. You hear certain waves, you taste other waves, you smell other waves, you feel other waves, you touch them, you see others. And there's big blank spots in between, incidentally. So it would say, yes, it is a form of light. This is a light universe.
(Just as a vibration, just as light or a laser beam, it penetrates anything at all.)
Right. And an x-ray goes too. The shorter the wavelength, the more it will penetrate, I believe, is the way the thing operates. And as the tissue cell rate of vibration — which is its wavelength — begins to have a greater feeling of joy, vibration increases.
And so it's like we have the tone scale — goes up to 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13. Every one of those is a greater intensity of vibration rate, or a greater speed. So obviously, way on up to the top, the person might could do some most unusual things. That would be perfectly normal for ‘em… they might walk through a wall.
(Where did you arrive at this 13-point scale? I don't understand how you...)
Well, observation, I would say. You can observe it. We'll get to it in a few days where you can begin to observe tones 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7. After that, they're pretty hard to find subjects. (laughter) It’s pretty hard to find subjects to look at after that. [calls on the next person] Okay, honey —
(It’s about a little old gal that _____________the road. She undoubtedly thought she really had a visit from the Lord. And she was going to go out and do his business.)
But she was very depressed over it. Very depressed, because of the tremendous load you put on her. It was due to fear. That's why she was so old-looking.
(That’s why she was so old and beat when –)
Right. She was an old, dragged-out woman that I estimated — I didn't take a case history because, obviously, she was all rattled around in the head — I estimated that she would probably be 63 to 64 years old. It turned out the next day that she was 37. She was 37 years old, and she looked 37 the next day. But she was very depressed over it because of the tremendous load you put on her. It was due to a fear. Yes, Meryl…
(I want to take an example that has puzzled me for a number of years. And I want to understand.)
Try to, the best we can.
(I told you about her, a little gal I knew in the past and she was amoral. She was abused by her father and her brothers from a time she was six. So, she had, seemingly, no sense of right or wrong — or far as anything was concerned. Then she met __________ when she was 43 years of age. And it seemed that before she could understand so-called morality, there needed to be an understanding that what she was doing was immoral. It took about two years to get this message through to this girl.)
To get her to confess she had a problem there. (laughter)
(Now, when I met her at the age of 43, this gal looked like she was 20. She had an awesome body, she had no wrinkles, she was as firm as could be all over. Just beautiful. And just about overnight—)
—she became an old woman.
(— she learned she was immoral. We saw her the next day and it was un-be-lievable. This girl looked far more than 43. Okay, now can you explain to me what in the world happened?)
Right. She fell out the bottom of it. She became a “bad girl.” We were practicing this problem-maker on the bottom of the two worlds picture where it says you’ve got a standard for good and a standard for normal and a standard for what’s in and what’s pretty.
(As soon as I tell you I see what happened. She didn’t look like the dissipated person that I thought she was!)
To her it was not dissipation, do you see? To her it wasn’t dissipation – it was perfectly usual every day ordinary. Until we convinced her that she had a problem. That’s like the missionaries went over to somewhere… [woman keeps talking over him] [Bob starts chuckling] At least you saved her soul even though you wrecked her body. (everyone laughs) You can thank… [everyone talks]
(It’s a missionary effort!)
What is it they called it in the ______ days, Bob? You got ‘em under conviction, huh? You got ‘em to feel guilty. You finally convinced her to feel guilty, in other words, hmm?
(Yeah, yeah…)
(What happened then?)
(Oh, well, we finally got her to a Harmony Workshop and she’s gonna come back next Sunday.)
Slowly she’s gonna get out of it. If we can just convince her that she’s not guilty. But Meryl did a good job. [Bob’s laughing]
I read a very straight article a few years ago, and I do have it in some of my papers. But my papers are scattered in many different spots because Robert picks up and moves every once in a while without rhyme or reason seemingly, and so he can’t always take ‘em. But I have this one so we will probably find it.
A missionary was telling of the difficulties he had in a community over in India or somewhere in the near East or Eastern area of the world. He came upon these people, and he said they had absolutely no dishonesty amongst the tribe — no stealing, no lying, no adultery, no fornication, nobody used any foul language. And it took considerable effort on their part to convince ‘em they had a problem so they could convert them.
‘.And of course, they got ‘em all looking old and decrepit and their teeth falling out – they didn’t even have a cavity in the place. But once they got them convinced of how sinful they were… well, they didn’t wear any clothes from the waist up, from front nor back… and when they got ‘em convinced of how sinful they were, they began to get sick, began to age, their teeth began to fall out and etcetera.
(They put clothes on more then?)
Oh, yeah, they had clothes on from the waist up. And they started lying and stealing and all the rest of the stuff in the book.
Trigger Points and Tissue Cell Vibration Demonstration
(Can I try an experiment?)
Yes, sir.
(I know it’s kind of hard for those who have technical training to realize the breakdown by degrees that Bob’s been talking about. There’s a couple of men here that I could pick out and could show you where the pathology has already come through because of the conditioning. Would anyone mind if I checked it out? [no one minds and tell him to go ahead]
(Okay, I’d like to use you and your brother, Matt. Would you take your shoe off? Either one of your shoes. This vibratory rate has been going down and it shows up in your feet. As the vibratory rate breaks down, we find that we begin to build what we call a “trigger point.” It’s a map of the cells where they vibrate. That’s what Bob was talking about. Because they vibrate they begin to calciform. And they build what we call a trigger point area. And it calcifies and it’s vibrating and this shows what the body is _________. [The man takes off his shoe and sock and shows them the place on his foot he’s talking about and offers for them to feel it.]
(Is it a callus?)
Hurts! [lots of talking]
Nope. It’s totally normal looking skin.
(Is it something you see or do you just not see it?)
No, you see it.
(It’s a nodule. Oh, and it hurts!)
It hurts wild. Then… that is only a sign, not a cause or anything else. And you can slow down your tissue cell rate of vibration. And if you increase it by increasing your tone; that will change.
(Anyone who has the pressure in the base of their neck will have an extremely sore area because the vibratory reaction is gone down. You speed it up, then it begins to go. Alright?
(How come you picked those two guys?)
Cause I been watching them rub their necks. Jim’s fighting away at it all the time. (laughter) When the tissue cell rate of vibration increases, it increases in direct relationship to our inner feeling.
Now if you want to go around down in the dumps, you’re gonna pay for it in lots of ways. You can enjoy feeling sorry for yourself all you like, hmm? You think it’d be worth it? You think it’s worth taking a different viewpoint of everything that occurs to it? Joe, what do you think about that? In other words, think in other dimensions for a while.
(Well, that would be the only thing I would say, is the real power of positive thinking.)
Well, positive thinking is negative thinking because you’re thinking positive, trying to convince yourself that something’s different than what you think it is or you wouldn’t be thinking positive.
(I mean, if we are truly thinking positive, then –)
No, if we are just living. When we are thinking positive, what are we doing it for? Would we be doing it? Like some of the dear souls who go around and say, “Oh, I feel so good. My head doesn’t hurt at all.” And you wouldn’t be saying it unless it hurts and you know you’re lying.
So, positive thinking is a neat way of trying to convince yourself of a lie.
Truly living is to increase your rate of understanding until you begin to really see something. You see the joy in something. Like we were talking today, you go down a street like you’d never seen it before. You look at your wife or your husband and you’ve never seen them before. You don’t know them. Then this world becomes an enticing, beautiful, wonderful, delightful place. And your rate of tissue cell vibration goes up with your delight. And you’re truly living. You live in a state of awe, of understanding – which is worship, if you please. An awesome view of all these things that you cannot even begin to comprehend that you see moment by moment as it’s ever-expanding.
And as long as we set here and make everything so important, we tie ourselves down, down, down, down, down, down – down. And you can look around and see all the downs, huh? Some people’s mouths are down, some people’s chin’s down, some people’s eyes are down. You know, you meet a person who is just kinda down all over. And finally their meat gets down. And then the next step is that we put ‘em down in a hole. And we call that “aging”, incidentally.
And there is no reason – absolutely no reason from a physiological standpoint – that your tissue cells would look any older than Joshua’s do. Because you don’t have any cells any older than he does either. So, you haven’t got a soft tissue cell in your body, other than the central nervous system, that’s over three months old. And neither does he.
(I thought it was seven years. There used to be an idea that your tissue cell lasted seven years.)
That used to be an idea that your tissue cells lasted seven years, but as more study goes on, it’s like all information – it’s variable. [chuckling]
(How about bone cells?)
Bone cells may be as much as a year old we’re told. The hard tissue may be as much as a year old. The soft tissue is nothing over about three months old.
How much fingernail have you cut off in the past year… nibbled off, or whichever one you do? Would you like to save it all sometimes and see? Just from one finger. You’ll be the most surprised person.
(Not nibbled.) [shows her fingernail to him]
(It took me nine months I think to grow one out.)
But that was from an injury. I’m talking about one that’s not injured, it’s growing along. Just keep the clipping off ‘a one fingernail – one finger, the same finger – and you keep it in there for a year and you’ll have the surprise of your life. It’d be about seven or eight inches long if you let it grow for a year.
(Why do we have scar tissue then?)
Cause it keeps on replacing itself. It’s a new structure. Sure, it’s a new structure. Can’t go back to the old one. You got a new expansion center. It’s a new article. But it keeps on replacing. It goes and changes too.
(I’ve got a scar way down here that’s way down to here now.)
Things change. Did it shift, or did it just move, kind of moves as it goes along. That’s new tissue all the time too.
The Hierarchy of Misconceptions & Buying Scars START HERE
(We’re talking about living by misconceptions and the Tone Scale and so forth. Is there any hierarchy to misconceptions as to which one would be best to uncover first and go on?)
The first Basic Decision. Truly understand the first Basic Decision, which is The Four Dual Basic Urges. That’s the greatest misconception – that the whole purpose of living is to be totally non-disturbed, and unconscious of it. Bring it up to consciousness and take a look at it. I would say that’s the hierarchy – start with number one.
(Well, if you have that one there are no others.)
[he chuckles] Okay. Good.
(I mean, there’s a lot of misconceptions that ______.)
But then they all are based upon number one and if it wasn’t there, they would not hold water anymore.
(They are ways to satisfy number one, is that right?)
Right. Isn’t that about right? Or we can come up on ‘em and because they can give us some inkling to go to number one. We wouldn’t be out busy making ‘em if it were not for number one. So, I give you that as the hierarchy and we’ll stick to that for a while yet anyway. Then I’ll reverse myself.
(Before we get too far from the scar tissue. I want to know what happens when it stops making scar tissue. What’s really going on when it stops?)
The scar disappears?
(Uh-huh.)
It’s usually because somebody bought it from you.
(Oh, come on, you already read my mind, right? [Bob’s laughing.] You knew what I was getting at.)
Ask X. I’ll give you that the same way that the spirit drug we were talkin’ about a while ago works – I don’t know.
(You know I don’t buy that business about buying, but it’s working you know.)
[Bob’s still laughing.] But you don’t buy it of course!
(No! But it’s working on the spot, as well as the other things. But I didn’t sell the other things, either.)
The only other thing it didn’t work on was one you wouldn’t allow it to go yet, one you wouldn’t allow me to take delivery of.
(That’s a possibility. It was real thick and white and it’s gone!)
Right. You sold it. It’s no longer yours. How could it be there if it’s not yours?
(Who’d you sell it to?)
(Oh, this was a little game with him.)
(How much did you give him?)
It’s the other way around – I bought it. It’s mine! I buy things. [laughing].
(Now you’ve got her curiosity aroused.)
(It’s really going away and I’ve had it for many years.)
Naturally. Right. Right, right. Because it’s not yours. You sold it and how can you keep something you don’t have?
(I’ll tell you something else. I had a girdle, it started to wear on it and I had some real deep sores. You remember. And these sores had lasted for about two months. I kept wearing the same girdle, I did nothing different, and the doggone things left and they’re gone and the scars disappeared.)
Because they were on that scar.
(He gets the scar and all the surrounding area.)
I get what’s on the scar, too. I’m not gonna just take the scar and not get what goes with it. (laughter) But you won’t let it go! I can’t take it just because I bought it. I think because you’re such a sweet lady. If you were just some old Joe, I’d beat him up and take it away from him. I have a soft spot for pretty ladies, so I don’t always take things away from ‘em if they won’t let me have ‘em after I buy ‘em. What you did is not honest — for you to keep it that way, you know. So now you picked on that little ole girl and made her feel guilty.
(I’d like to know more about this, cause, you know, it just dawned on me… I don’t like this kind of stuff. I kept the quarter.)
For quite a while.
(I still have it.)
Hm-mm. Why don’t you go spend it and then it will get rid of the other stuff I bought?
(But I did the other money… I gave it to some kid.)
You kept the one for the one you won’t let me have. Because you’re making arrangements to give it back.
(No, I kept the quarter for the scar.)
It doesn’t make any difference what you did with that. It should be spent, though.
(The other’s gone though… but what I sold isn’t gone.)
Well, I know. Cause you won’t let me have it.
(Is that white magic or black magic?)
It’s white because I’m not controlling her with it. I said I would buy it, but I don’t even insist she let me have it. Okay?
(This is quite interesting because I’ve been waiting you to take delivery on my little one.)
I know, you’re still watching it. And I’m so close I never have time to come get it. (laughter)
(Really… I think about it about once a week.)
You’ve asked me at least four times this week. And this is only the third day of the week! (laughter)
[different person] (I had my hands covered with warts. And I sold them — they didn’t go immediately. And I watched those warts. They hurt me. And I watched those warts for about 12 days, I think. And all at once, I quit watching them. The next time I looked, there wasn't a sign of a wart on my hand.)
Right. You’re so nosy! You’re like wanting to watch Santie Claus come. (Laughter) Everybody wants to stay around and watch me get my merchandise!
(And the next time I looked, there wasn’t a sign of ‘em.)
Not a sign. Gone, no scars, no nothin’.
(That sounds like ____.)
I don’t care what it sounds like.
(I told about that when I was in dental school, told our physiology professor and I thought he was going to turn inside out!) (laughter)
It’s a wonder you didn’t get expelled!
(Once you start talkin’ this stuff, just give a little bit!))
You better be careful where you are because you can get thrown out.
(You might get thrown in! Don’t cast your pearls before swine.)
They might even throw you in.
(What if you’re consciously aware you want to get rid of something that you don’t want?)
(Like the first decision?) (laughter)
I wouldn’t buy it, I wouldn’t give you the time of day for one of ‘em. I got one of my own.
(But what about the motivation – that you want to be non-disturbed?)
It doesn’t matter what your motivation is, if you truly sell it. No, if you sell anything it’s no longer yours, is it. If you pull one of those white buttons off the front of your dress and you sell it to me, who does the button belong to then? I have made a transaction with you, and I have paid for it and it’s my merchandise then. And what I do with it is none of your business.
(So, no refunds.)
Right, I don’t allow refunds. I don’t care how long I have to wait for delivery, I refuse to sell it back. [unclear] If they renege on letting me have the merchandise, it’ll cost ‘em a thousand bucks. We’ll get that building paid for yet, someways. We’ll get that thing paid for.
Neuromuscular Tension and the Motor Analogy
(Would you write out for us a list of the different chemicals and which of ‘em is that goes into our bloodstream?)
[He writes on the blackboard.] Adrenaline. Thyroxin. Pituitary - p-i-t-u-i-t-a-r-y – the pituitary has several different ones, and I don’t even know all the names for ‘em, but there is somewhere supposed to be 14 different hormones made – not all at the same time – in response to a given stimulus. In other words, if you’re very angry, one set of ‘em comes out. If you’re fighting, if you’re disgusted, another one runs and so forth. The adrenal glands also produce D.O.C.A. [Deoxycorticosterone acetate] and also produces cortisone. I guess that’s the only ones it makes that’s fairly well known.
So pick up a book on endocrinology. If you want a real cheap one, you can go down and get one on most any newsstand titled, How to Live 365 Days a Year and in that is a section that gives a list of all the stress hormones. Title is, “How to Live 365 Days a Year.” He has it written out and that’s as good a source of it as I know of because it was taken off of Selye’s [Hans Selye] work without all the detail that Brother Selye puts in it cause it runs you down pretty hard to keep up with him; he really gets technical with it. And this is popularized a little bit, simplified, so you can read it in there.
(Where does glycogen come from?)
Glycogen comes from the liver, which is not a glandular hormone. It is a substance stored in the cells of the liver as a fuel. It is the fuel the body burns. These other things are accelerators and messengers that maintain the burning rate and the stimulation. Of course, insulin is produced by the Islets of Langerhans in the pancreas, which is necessary for the burning to start. Without it, the sugar, the glycogen won’t burn. It’s the catalyst that sets it off, the catalyst that kicks it. Without it being present, it won’t burn. It won’t oxidize. Okay, you got another one there? You can take that one out of a technical book.
(Okay, could you explain or elaborate how the nervous system coordinates with the cell structure to produce neuromuscular tension?)
Hm-mm, I think so. A nerve impulse goes over a nerve similar to, but not like unto, an electrical charge over a wire. This is a very crude analogy but the closest one we would have. So, if you send an electrical current to go to a dynamo, or to a motor, the motor begins to spin, huh? Suppose you put a break on the motor or an interference into it? What begins to happen? Current’s going through the motor and you’ve put an obstruction to turning on it. What begins to happen?
(It stops.)
First, it generates a lotta heat.
(The generator does.)
No, the generator’s running back over here. The motor’s coming through. And you put an obstruction on it, so it has great resistance to it turning. What will happen? Generates a lotta heat first – a lotta heat, huh? That’s tension, isn’t it? Same difference. Or similar, a close analogy, the best analogy we can come up with. So, there’s no place to go. You’ve plugged the juice in and charged up the motor and it’s not turning, okay? You got the muscle sitting here, ready to go blup, blup, blup, blup but instead you’re holding it in because, “He’s bigger than I am and he’ll hit me… but I want to hit him, but I’m scared,” and we got an obstruction to the motor turning. And it generates a lotta heat. See? Go ahead – doing fine. Darroll has agreed to pull the questions for everybody else and I’m thinking he’s probably asking questions that all of us would be very, very interested in.
(When do we say that toxins would go to the brain?)
The bloodstream, the serum, and the serous circulation. It’s charged up with the hormones and so forth – the stimulants, in other words. They’re not toxins as long as they are in their proper place and proper use. But when they are not used and begin to be not used, they turn or act as a toxin to the brain, okay?
(Now the same structure, I understand, holds true for the brain structure. In other words, toxins going to the brain through the bloodstream—)
Through circulation.
(—the same way as it goes in any other part of the body, what stops it from going to the brain?)
What do you mean, what stops it from going to the brain?
(Well, suppose I have some neuromuscular tension, or some misconception that’s causing me to have a localization of the toxins in the body?)
I don’t get this “localization”. We never said that one, Darroll. It doesn’t localize. The adaptation localizes. Are you asking what keeps it from localizing in the brain, that the adaptation takes place in the brain?
(You said here that the adaptation is what keeps it from going to the brain, as I understand.)
No, I did not say that, I did not say that, sir. I’m sorry. That wasn’t said. It won’t hurt it to go to the brain. It’s going to; you just get drunk. We said the adaptation prevented it from killing you, from your blowing up like an atom bomb after a while.
(Well, there’s adaptation in the brain – tumors, …)
It’ll settle there. It’s an organ, yes.
(Well somehow I got the misconception then that the adaptation took place somewhere in the body to keep the toxins from killing us, from going to the brain.)
From killing us – I’ll agree to that. But that other part, I didn’t get. I don’t know where you got that one. But it keeps us adapting so we won’t explode. Or just flat pass out because of terrific toxicity. Once a certain toxicity level is reached in the body, it’s incompatible with life and you’re dead.
(Which comes about how? The breakdown of…)
The whole thing. It just quits working. The synapses in the nervous system won’t connect anymore. The heart – the impulse won’t originate in the “Bundle of His”; it’s so toxic that the whole thing just quits.
(I’m wondering how the adaptation before it goes to the brain and you become intoxicated, how this adapts. Does the cycle stop?)
No. It just burns it up and you get sober after a while.
(I just don’t recall.)
It’s not that far back down the history, man. Your memory’s better than that.
(I don’t know what happened. I didn’t watch.)
You oxidize the booze until it’s no longer toxic. It burns up. It’s just like you burn the gasoline out of the tank of your car. What happens with it? You oxidize it and burn it up and you go down the road. So, pour the booze on the inside to get into the bloodstream and you start indulging in some movement down the road — erratically, but moving on. You’re moving on, moving on. Feeling no pain. And you start oxidizing it and after a while, you get under the table and come out of it. See?
Split Personality, Conflicting Authority, and Catatonia
(On decision number four, we’re talking about believing and doing what our authorities said, and this decision is in conflict with number two or number one. All right, now we have the split in our personality already taken place. When we have a person with a schizoid personality or a split personality, we’re talking about the two personalities in conflict.)
No.
(Decision number one in conflict with number four.)
They’re in different demand. Both of ‘em appeal to “C,” the Chooser, to give the nod.
(And the Chooser refuses.)
And it finally decides that it won’t listen to these noisy two kids screaming at him. Little Susie over at number “B” hollers every time he gives the nod to “A.” And when he gives the nod to “B,” “A” hollers. So, one night he says, “Oh, phooey!” and gets a short beer and leaves it with ‘em. And then they take alternate turns getting up and running the show. And that’s the schizoid.
(All right now, that happens when we have two authority figures giving decisions in conflict in Number Four.)
Then it’s in conflict within itself, and if they are of equal strength and acceptance, you can have a catatonic who can’t move either direction. They just sit. He would like to get up and hit you because one authority figure said, “Knock ‘em down!” And the other one said, “Love them.” And he’s so tied up — he wants to knock him down, but the other side says, “You mustn’t because you gotta love them.” And he sits here in pairs.
One of the things we find in very sensitive people is that when they taught that you ought to love your enemies — and so you see the man as your enemy, and you’re loving him too? Because you see him as your enemy? This is an excellent way to produce a catatonic.
(You love ‘em and hate ‘em at the same time.)
Yeah, because what you’re really saying is not to love your enemy, but to understand the enemy, and then he’s no longer your enemy — you see he’s a human being. But as long as you don’t understand him and think of love as this sentimental thought, you’re gonna have all this sentimental feeling for this joker who you feel is gonna stick a knife in your back if you get close enough to him. And so you think of him as an enemy. You hate him for all he’s done to you, but you’re gonna love him if it kills you — and it jolly well will. And this puts more people in hospitals than anything I know of. Mental hospitals, especially.
The Little Girl Who Wouldn’t Talk
(Tell me the example about the little girl that couldn’t talk. Her parents said she wouldn’t — or couldn’t — talk…)
Because of what the mother said. We had a little girl – I’ll tell this one very quickly – we had a little girl who at the time was seven years old. She was a patient of a friend of mine, and she had never talked. And he said, “I think that kid hears once in a while.” So, he asked me if we would try to do something with her. And so, we observed her a few days, and it seemed she could respond, but you couldn’t get a word out of her and you couldn’t get a direct response. If you said or called her name —no look, nothing. She wouldn’t give anything.
So, one day we made up a tape on a tape recorder and made it in a very flat monotone. And I said, using the little girl’s name, “I am Dorsey, my name is Dorsey,” or whatever her name was. It was very many years ago. “My name is Dorsey and I love to talk. My mother loves to hear me talk. My daddy loves to hear me talk.” Just made it in kind of a sing-song monotone.
And we put her in a room with this tape, turned it on at the usual volume, and she watched the wheels turning for a minute, seemingly unconcerned. But about the third time it said her name, “I am (so-and-so) and I love to talk,” she began to scream, “No, no, no! I’ll die!” She was quite disturbed and quite upset so we got her calmed down and we talked with her mother.
Her mother listened for a while and said, “I know, and I can’t believe it.” When the baby was three or four months old, she was sitting in the living room nursing her at the breast and a little next door neighbor kid came through, a little girl, and blapped out a good four-letter word. I don’t know which one. Mother was too horrified to tell me which one it was. It didn’t matter. But at any rate, the mother then said, while the kid was doing this, “I would rather see my little girl dead than to hear her talk like that!”
“That” is a pronoun. And it hung in that kid’s mind and she would not talk. And her mother talked with her, and we talked with her and she got calmed down. The kid knew all the English language that any seven-year-old kid seemingly knows. She could talk, she could hear – everything.
So, this suggestion was planted as a fearful thing in her and had inhibited her all this time, because to her, her mother wanted her dead if she talked.
Now, it seems unbelievable that a child four months old, according to her mother when this incident occurred, would have all this association with words. But ‘dead’ means out of existence and so forth. Nevertheless, this is the way it worked. This is the only case like that I ever had, but I have read of others — that the concept was thoroughly put in there at age two or three months, and we have heard of some even before they were born.
And I did work with one woman that described in detail a fight between her mother and her father that occurred four days before she was born — and which, incidentally,had quite an effect on her life due to one of the concepts that was put out.
Okay, we will call it a day and we will see you here at nine o’clock in the morning.
Suddenly the whole group sings Happy Birthday to Meryl. She says, “Thank you!” as they present a cake and tell her to blow out the candles.
[End of Tape One]
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